Discussion:
A Very Sick Joke
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First Maje
2004-01-25 14:08:11 UTC
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Malton, North Yorkshire

Some three years ago the owner of a small hotel near here was alone
when he heard a noise in the office and he found a 19-year-old youth
had forced open the petty cash box.

The owner, in his late fifties, grabbed the thief but was then faced
with a dilemma, how could he hold the struggling youth while phoning
the police? His solution was to lock the thief in a storeroom.

When the police arrived an arrest was made, and the owner was later
found guilty of assault and unlawful detention, fined £250, and had to

do 200 hours community service. The thief was released with a caution.

It is cases like this which have destroyed the public's confidence in
the justice system, and made law and order a very sick joke.


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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <>
2004-01-25 17:23:48 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Malton, North Yorkshire
Some three years ago the owner of a small hotel near here was alone
when he heard a noise in the office and he found a 19-year-old youth
had forced open the petty cash box.
The owner, in his late fifties, grabbed the thief but was then faced
with a dilemma, how could he hold the struggling youth while phoning
the police? His solution was to lock the thief in a storeroom.
When the police arrived an arrest was made, and the owner was later
found guilty of assault and unlawful detention, fined £250, and had to
do 200 hours community service. The thief was released with a caution.
It is cases like this which have destroyed the public's confidence in
the justice system, and made law and order a very sick joke.
I got a better example. Imagine a young woman who blows a stop sign
in front of witnesses and crashes into and kills a guy she has just
had a fight with yet the police never press charges against her and
now she is the first lady of america.
Bill Levinson
2004-01-25 17:41:36 UTC
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Post by Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <>
Post by First Maje
Malton, North Yorkshire
Some three years ago the owner of a small hotel near here was alone
when he heard a noise in the office and he found a 19-year-old youth
had forced open the petty cash box.
The owner, in his late fifties, grabbed the thief but was then faced
with a dilemma, how could he hold the struggling youth while phoning
the police? His solution was to lock the thief in a storeroom.
When the police arrived an arrest was made, and the owner was later
found guilty of assault and unlawful detention, fined £250, and had to
do 200 hours community service. The thief was released with a caution.
It is cases like this which have destroyed the public's confidence in
the justice system, and made law and order a very sick joke.
I got a better example. Imagine a young woman who blows a stop sign
in front of witnesses and crashes into and kills a guy she has just
had a fight with yet the police never press charges against her and
now she is the first lady of america.
I have an even better example. A fat drunk gets in his car with an
attractive young woman and drives off a bridge. Even though she is still
alive in an air pocket, he does not bother to call the police until it
is far too late to save her, maybe because it's more important for him
to let his blood alcohol level drop to the legal level. (If that was his
concern he could have called the police anonymously or made sure he
didn't meet them for several hours.) Now he is the senior Senator from
Massachusetts.

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a***@white-eagle.co.uk
2004-01-25 19:55:18 UTC
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Post by Bill Levinson
I have an even better example. A fat drunk gets in his car with an
attractive young woman and drives off a bridge. Even though she is still
alive in an air pocket, he does not bother to call the police until it
is far too late to save her, maybe because it's more important for him
to let his blood alcohol level drop to the legal level. (If that was his
concern he could have called the police anonymously or made sure he
didn't meet them for several hours.) Now he is the senior Senator from
Massachusetts.
Reminds me of an old cartoon I once saw...

"What happens if I get pregnant Mr Kennedy"
"We'll cross that bridge when we come to it"

Axel
AH#49
2004-01-25 17:52:36 UTC
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Post by Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <>
Post by First Maje
Malton, North Yorkshire
Some three years ago the owner of a small hotel near here was alone
when he heard a noise in the office and he found a 19-year-old youth
had forced open the petty cash box.
The owner, in his late fifties, grabbed the thief but was then faced
with a dilemma, how could he hold the struggling youth while phoning
the police? His solution was to lock the thief in a storeroom.
When the police arrived an arrest was made, and the owner was later
found guilty of assault and unlawful detention, fined £250, and had to
do 200 hours community service. The thief was released with a caution.
It is cases like this which have destroyed the public's confidence in
the justice system, and made law and order a very sick joke.
I got a better example. Imagine a young woman who blows a stop sign
in front of witnesses and crashes into and kills a guy she has just
had a fight with yet the police never press charges against her and
now she is the first lady of america.
Quite the imagination you have, Judy.

Let us know when that ever happens in real life, you drunken whore.
Yardpilot
2004-01-25 21:46:05 UTC
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Post by Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <>
I got a better example. Imagine a young woman who blows a stop sign
in front of witnesses and crashes into and kills a guy she has just
had a fight with yet the police never press charges against her and
now she is the first lady of america.
Give it up. You're just stupid.
Shaun
2004-01-25 23:57:27 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Malton, North Yorkshire
Some three years ago the owner of a small hotel near here was alone
when he heard a noise in the office and he found a 19-year-old youth
had forced open the petty cash box.
The owner, in his late fifties, grabbed the thief but was then faced
with a dilemma, how could he hold the struggling youth while phoning
the police? His solution was to lock the thief in a storeroom.
When the police arrived an arrest was made, and the owner was later
found guilty of assault and unlawful detention, fined £250, and had to
do 200 hours community service. The thief was released with a caution.
It is cases like this which have destroyed the public's confidence in
the justice system, and made law and order a very sick joke.
You forgot to mention that the hotel owner was actually prosecuted for
beating the alledged thief senseless in order to teach him a lesson.

Strange how such key facts disappear when translated into gun nut
folklaw
Jack
2004-01-26 00:53:34 UTC
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Post by Shaun
Post by First Maje
Malton, North Yorkshire
Some three years ago the owner of a small hotel near here was alone
when he heard a noise in the office and he found a 19-year-old youth
had forced open the petty cash box.
The owner, in his late fifties, grabbed the thief but was then faced
with a dilemma, how could he hold the struggling youth while phoning
the police? His solution was to lock the thief in a storeroom.
When the police arrived an arrest was made, and the owner was later
found guilty of assault and unlawful detention, fined £250, and had to
do 200 hours community service. The thief was released with a caution.
It is cases like this which have destroyed the public's confidence in
the justice system, and made law and order a very sick joke.
You forgot to mention that the hotel owner was actually prosecuted for
beating the alledged thief senseless in order to teach him a lesson.
Strange how such key facts disappear when translated into gun nut
folklaw
And the hotel owner, along with his son, tied up the the youth and hid him
in the
cellar, then put a gun to his head and told him he was going to kill him,
then pulled
the trigger (the gun was not loaded). The thief was not a burglar but an
employee.
The hotel owner could have called the police, but decided kidnapping was a
better
option.

The local Tory MP sided with the hotel owner until he saw the facts, then he
distanced
himself from the affair.

Neither the robber or the hotel owner are good men, but who would you rather
meet
in a dark alley? the petty thief or a kidnapper?
Jos.Carman
2004-01-26 02:02:10 UTC
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Post by Shaun
Post by First Maje
Malton, North Yorkshire
Some three years ago the owner of a small hotel near here was alone
when he heard a noise in the office and he found a 19-year-old youth
had forced open the petty cash box.
The owner, in his late fifties, grabbed the thief but was then faced
with a dilemma, how could he hold the struggling youth while phoning
the police? His solution was to lock the thief in a storeroom.
When the police arrived an arrest was made, and the owner was later
found guilty of assault and unlawful detention, fined £250, and had to
do 200 hours community service. The thief was released with a caution.
It is cases like this which have destroyed the public's confidence in
the justice system, and made law and order a very sick joke.
You forgot to mention that the hotel owner was actually prosecuted for
beating the alledged thief senseless in order to teach him a lesson.
Strange how such key facts disappear when translated into gun nut
folklaw
Carman wrote:
Does beating the "youth" senseless seem like a bad idea to you?

I suppose you'd rather give him a pat on the back and congratulate
him on finding such a fine alternative to working for a living?

What is it about the ugly criminal types that so endear them to you
Leftists?
Frank F. Matthews
2004-01-26 03:51:15 UTC
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Yes, beating someone senseless is a very bad idea and should draw some
time in the slammer. The scum status of the beaten does not justify the
beating. FFM
Post by Jos.Carman
Post by Shaun
Post by First Maje
Malton, North Yorkshire
Some three years ago the owner of a small hotel near here was alone
when he heard a noise in the office and he found a 19-year-old youth
had forced open the petty cash box.
The owner, in his late fifties, grabbed the thief but was then faced
with a dilemma, how could he hold the struggling youth while phoning
the police? His solution was to lock the thief in a storeroom.
When the police arrived an arrest was made, and the owner was later
found guilty of assault and unlawful detention, fined £250, and had to
do 200 hours community service. The thief was released with a caution.
It is cases like this which have destroyed the public's confidence in
the justice system, and made law and order a very sick joke.
You forgot to mention that the hotel owner was actually prosecuted for
beating the alledged thief senseless in order to teach him a lesson.
Strange how such key facts disappear when translated into gun nut
folklaw
Does beating the "youth" senseless seem like a bad idea to you?
I suppose you'd rather give him a pat on the back and congratulate
him on finding such a fine alternative to working for a living?
What is it about the ugly criminal types that so endear them to you
Leftists?
Jos.Carman
2004-01-26 06:44:12 UTC
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Post by Frank F. Matthews
Yes, beating someone senseless is a very bad idea and should draw some
time in the slammer. The scum status of the beaten does
not justify the beating. FFM
Carman wrote:
You would be correct, if what you want to do is encourage
criminals to attack the productive.

If you'd actually like to discourage criminality, then you
need to make the working conditions of the criminal hazardous
and unhealthy.

Criminals, like the 19 year old who fought with the 59 year
old hotel keeper, understand force, and they understand pain.
They don't seem to understand much beyond that.

what the hotel keeper did was to effect a citizen's arrest.
The criminal resisted that arrest. They should have given the
hotel keeper a medal, and the criminal extra time in prison
for resisting lawful arrest and assaulting the hotel keeper.
Ian Bailey
2004-01-26 06:50:45 UTC
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Post by Frank F. Matthews
Yes, beating someone senseless is a very bad idea and should draw some
time in the slammer. The scum status of the beaten does not justify the
beating. FFM
I expect that First Maje etc think the hotel owner should have shot
the thief dead where he stood.

That seems to be their answer to everything.

Ian
First Maje
2004-01-26 08:18:36 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
Post by Frank F. Matthews
Yes, beating someone senseless is a very bad idea and should draw some
time in the slammer. The scum status of the beaten does not justify the
beating. FFM
I expect that First Maje etc think the hotel owner should have shot
the thief dead where he stood.
If the criminal attacked me in a manner which threatened my life, I
would not hesitate to shoot him. If my years of practice with handguns
results in accurate shot placement, then that's his bad fortune.

Why should the hotel owner expose himself to the threat of serious
harm? You do not have the right to demand that he do something stupid
like that.

If you want to turn the other cheek, then where were you when your
cheek was needed by the hotel owner? Probably butt-fucking some
leftist queer.
Post by Ian Bailey
That seems to be their answer to everything.
It does lower recidivism.

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The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
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by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Harry The Horse
2004-01-26 12:54:32 UTC
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Probably butt-fucking some leftist queer.
Why do so many Nazi loons have an obsession with the anus?
First Maje
2004-01-26 13:49:55 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:54:32 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
Probably butt-fucking some leftist queer.
Why do so many Nazi loons have an obsession with the anus?
You'll have to ask all the leftist queers why.


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Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
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The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
great country, not people living in cities in tenements owned
by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Harry The Horse
2004-01-26 14:03:53 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:54:32 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
Probably butt-fucking some leftist queer.
Why do so many Nazi loons have an obsession with the anus?
You'll have to ask all the leftist queers why.
You mean like George Orwell who took a bullet in the neck whilst fighting
Nazis? By the way, Orwell supported the right of working people to own
firearms but it was Thatcher and Tory administrations that started
confiscating gun owners' property.
First Maje
2004-01-26 14:26:05 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:03:53 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
it was Thatcher and Tory administrations that started
confiscating gun owners' property.
That's what I have been saying all along.

It all started in 1920 when the Tories forced gun owners to register.
As we all know, that is a slimy trick that leads to inevitable
confiscation. Thatcher used the Hungerford incident to force the first
round of gun confiscation and Major used Dunblane to force the second
round.

Now, thanks to these Tories and their supporters who were instrumental
in implementing these fascist programs, like Michael Howard who is
currently the leader of the Tory Party, Britain is a nation of unarmed
wimp peasants.

How ironical since Britain invented RKBA to begin with. It also
invented the NRA. Just shows you what a small number of leftist queers
can do if allowed to infiltrate the major institutions. America would
be just as perverted as Britain today if it hadn't been for people
like Joseph McCarthy.


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Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
great country, not people living in cities in tenements owned
by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Harry The Horse
2004-01-26 14:53:38 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:03:53 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
it was Thatcher and Tory administrations that started
confiscating gun owners' property.
That's what I have been saying all along.
It all started in 1920 when the Tories forced gun owners to register.
As we all know, that is a slimy trick that leads to inevitable
confiscation. Thatcher used the Hungerford incident to force the first
round of gun confiscation and Major used Dunblane to force the second
round.
Now, thanks to these Tories and their supporters who were instrumental
in implementing these fascist programs, like Michael Howard who is
currently the leader of the Tory Party, Britain is a nation of unarmed
wimp peasants.
We still managed to get rid of the Poll Tax and Thatcher with it. And we'll
defeat Blair and Blunkett's attempt to introduce compulsory ID cards, if
they have the balls to try it, which I seriously doubt now. To paraphrase
Churchill, 'some wimpy peasants'.
Post by First Maje
How ironical since Britain invented RKBA to begin with.
Not quite. The Bill Of Rights is qualified by the phase 'as allowed by
law'. Unfortunately the architects of the 'Glorious Revolution' didn't
write their descendants a blank cheque.
Post by First Maje
It also
invented the NRA. Just shows you what a small number of leftist queers
can do if allowed to infiltrate the major institutions.
Yes, there are a few degenerates at the heart of the system. I think most
of them are heterosexual and their socialism has been discarded long ago.
For the most part they are busy leading us into illegal wars at the behest
of a foreign government. They are lying corrupt shits, certainly; but not
much evidence that they are 'leftists' or 'queers'.
First Maje
2004-01-26 16:37:24 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:53:38 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
Yes, there are a few degenerates at the heart of the system. I think most
of them are heterosexual and their socialism has been discarded long ago.
For the most part they are busy leading us into illegal wars at the behest
of a foreign government. They are lying corrupt shits, certainly; but not
much evidence that they are 'leftists' or 'queers'.
There is overwhelming evidence, but you have to open your mind to see
it.

Ask these simple, but critical, questions:

1. Why are all the institutions of Britain so perverted?

2. Why in the most general sense is Good always interpreted as evil,
and Evil interpreted as good, by these institutions?

Can it all be blamed on the British penchant for Political
Correctness? No. While PC is a convenient explanation, it only puts
the matter off, because PC is not really an explanation, it is a
symptom of the underlying perversion that has become a way of life in
Britain.

Now let's take an even closer look. Look critically at each one of
your major institutions, starting with govt. You would have to be
braindead not to recognize the manifest perversion of that vital
institution, so I won't belabor the point further. Suffice it to say
that it doesn't get much more perverted than this.

Then look at Parliament - manifest perversion there too. The very
notion of making a law permitting - some say encouraging - underage
boys to commit homosexual acts is an abomination of the highest rank.
It doesn't get much more perverted than this.

Then let's look at the Crown Persecution Service and the entire
"justice" system. First thing you notice is that Britain has perverted
the venerated system of Common Law to the point that it looks like
Corpus Juris. A defendant is no longer considered innocent until
proven guilty by a unanimous jury. Just as Tony Martin and his
supporters what they think of British jurisprudence. It doesn't get
much more perverted than this.

No let's move on to the Church of England. In a recent survey 50% of
clergy said that they support the gay agenda as it pertains to the
Church - gay marriage, gay clergy, gay everthing - wheras a survey of
American Protestant clery got only 10% in favor of the gay agenda. I
won't belabor the point, but only point out once again that it doesn't
get much more perverted than this.

But let's not stop here. Look at the NHS, academia, the media, unions,
the professions especially lawyers, et al, ad nauseam. It's all
perverted from literally one end of British institutions to the other,
whether it's brainwashing school children about underage sex - hetero
and homo both - to that abomination called the NHS, to the pinko
commie media called the Bolshevik Brainwashing Collective (BBC), to
the selfish marxist unions, to the ... well, you get the point.

But the last straw was when your cruiminal ruling class confiscated
your guns, which overnight converted Britain from a garden-variety
fascist dictatorship into a full-fledged totalitarian dictatorship
populated by unarmed wimp peasants.

That has to be the ultimate perversion of them all.


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The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
great country, not people living in cities in tenements owned
by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Alan G
2004-01-26 18:50:58 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:53:38 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
Yes, there are a few degenerates at the heart of the system. I think most
of them are heterosexual and their socialism has been discarded long ago.
For the most part they are busy leading us into illegal wars at the behest
of a foreign government. They are lying corrupt shits, certainly; but not
much evidence that they are 'leftists' or 'queers'.
There is overwhelming evidence, but you have to open your mind to see
it.
1. Why are all the institutions of Britain so perverted?
Read this then tell us why Texans are stupid
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/35122.html

Homer Simpson let loose on US nuclear weapons facility!!
First Maje
2004-01-26 19:22:36 UTC
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Post by Alan G
Read this then tell us why Texans are stupid
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/35122.html
Homer Simpson let loose on US nuclear weapons facility!!
Take your medicine, Alan.


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Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
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The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
great country, not people living in cities in tenements owned
by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Yardpilot
2004-01-27 11:33:18 UTC
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Post by Alan G
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:53:38 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
Yes, there are a few degenerates at the heart of the system. I think most
of them are heterosexual and their socialism has been discarded long ago.
For the most part they are busy leading us into illegal wars at the behest
of a foreign government. They are lying corrupt shits, certainly; but not
much evidence that they are 'leftists' or 'queers'.
There is overwhelming evidence, but you have to open your mind to see
it.
1. Why are all the institutions of Britain so perverted?
Read this then tell us why Texans are stupid
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/35122.html
"In the first incident, highly-skilled operatives inadvertently drilled into
the warhead's core, provoking a full-scale evacuation of Pantex. They later
made a second Chernobylesque blunder by bodging a highly-explosive warhead
part back together with tape.

Had they subsequently dropped the component, the likely outcome would have
been a "violent reaction", with "potentially unacceptable consequences", as
safety board chairman John T. Conway rather conservatively put it."

Dudley, you are showing those who know that YOU don't know squat about
nuclear weapons. Neither of these "scenarios" would result in an unintended
nuclear pop. You have obviously overloaded on methane sniffing.
Harry The Horse
2004-01-26 20:32:14 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Now let's take an even closer look. Look critically at each one of
your major institutions, starting with govt. You would have to be
braindead not to recognize the manifest perversion of that vital
institution, so I won't belabor the point further. Suffice it to say
that it doesn't get much more perverted than this.
Ok, there are a hell of a lot of things I hate about this government but I
suspect they might be things you'd rather approve of. I don't know what you
mean by perversions but this would be my list, in no particular order.

The continuance of Thatcher's policies of redistributing wealth from the the
poor(er) to to the rich
The destruction of the univesity system and making it much much more
difficult for poor bight kids to get to university (some fucking socialists,
eh?)
Lying about the existence of WMD
Lying about involvment in the harrassment of Dr Kelly
Speaking out in favour of racist policemen (you're a gent, Mr Blunkett)
Trying gather dirt on the victims of the Paddington train disaster in order
to save the neck of the erstwhile Minister for Transport, Stephen Byers
Lying in the manifesto about top up fees
Scape-goating lawful gun owners in order to be seen to be 'doing something'
about criminal use of firearms
For being pompous humourless cunts
And a lot more that I can't be bothered to write.....

So what's your list of 'perversions'?
Post by First Maje
Then look at Parliament - manifest perversion there too. The very
notion of making a law permitting - some say encouraging - underage
boys to commit homosexual acts is an abomination of the highest rank.
It doesn't get much more perverted than this.
'Underage'? As far as I am aware it is a serious criminal offence for an
adult to have sexual relations with either a girl or a boy aged under 16
years and rightly so. If you are referring to the legal status of
homosexuality then frankly I don't give a fuck where a gay sticks his dick
as long it isn't up my arse. I don't want to see them doing it in public
but then I don't want to heterosexuals doing it public either. You're not a
'born again' god squadder, are you?
Post by First Maje
But the last straw was when your cruiminal ruling class confiscated
your guns, which overnight converted Britain from a garden-variety
fascist dictatorship into a full-fledged totalitarian dictatorship
populated by unarmed wimp peasants.
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise the
United States try to invade.
First Maje
2004-01-26 22:22:13 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise the
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.

Didn't you see how well they use the armament on those Apache
gunships?


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Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
great country, not people living in cities in tenements owned
by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Mort
2004-01-26 23:11:30 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise the
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
LOL you sound like some pathetic little scrote at school saying 'I'll get my
big brother on you'
First Maje
2004-01-27 01:25:16 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:11:30 +0000 (UTC), "Mort"
Post by Mort
Post by First Maje
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
LOL you sound like some pathetic little scrote at school saying 'I'll get my
big brother on you'
At least I know who my brother is.


--

Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
great country, not people living in cities in tenements owned
by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Mort
2004-01-27 09:36:32 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:11:30 +0000 (UTC), "Mort"
Post by Mort
Post by First Maje
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
LOL you sound like some pathetic little scrote at school saying 'I'll get my
big brother on you'
At least I know who my brother is.
So do I.
And your point is......?
First Maje
2004-01-27 13:39:36 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:36:32 +0000 (UTC), "Mort"
Post by Mort
Post by First Maje
At least I know who my brother is.
So do I.
And your point is......?
At least I know who my father is.
--
Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

"You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
--Robert Heinlein
Joe Hutcheon
2004-01-27 13:40:39 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:36:32 +0000 (UTC), "Mort"
Post by Mort
Post by First Maje
At least I know who my brother is.
So do I.
And your point is......?
At least I know who my father is.
Have you had his DNA compared to your own, just to be on the safe side?
First Maje
2004-01-27 13:55:49 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:40:39 -0000, "Joe Hutcheon"
Post by Joe Hutcheon
Post by First Maje
At least I know who my father is.
Have you had his DNA compared to your own, just to be on the safe side?
Don't need to.

Far too many similarities. For example, I can forge his signature so
well even he can't even tell the difference. And I do it naturally.
--
Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

"You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
--Robert Heinlein
Joe Hutcheon
2004-01-27 13:57:19 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:40:39 -0000, "Joe Hutcheon"
Post by Joe Hutcheon
Post by First Maje
At least I know who my father is.
Have you had his DNA compared to your own, just to be on the safe side?
Don't need to.
Far too many similarities. For example, I can forge his signature so
well even he can't even tell the difference.
Fair enough. A similar ability on my part to duplicate my father's
signature got me out of many difficult situations at school.
Alan G
2004-01-27 17:05:25 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:40:39 -0000, "Joe Hutcheon"
Post by Joe Hutcheon
Post by First Maje
At least I know who my father is.
Have you had his DNA compared to your own, just to be on the safe side?
Don't need to.
Far too many similarities. For example, I can forge his signature so
well even he can't even tell the difference. And I do it naturally.
Like your uncle.
Mort
2004-01-27 13:46:34 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:36:32 +0000 (UTC), "Mort"
Post by Mort
Post by First Maje
At least I know who my brother is.
So do I.
And your point is......?
At least I know who my father is.
So do I
And your point is......?
Mort
2004-01-27 09:57:29 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:11:30 +0000 (UTC), "Mort"
Post by Mort
Post by First Maje
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
LOL you sound like some pathetic little scrote at school saying 'I'll get my
big brother on you'
At least I know who my brother is.
I'm curious that you went out of your way to bring that up.
Is it something unusual in your part of the world?
Alan G
2004-01-27 17:04:11 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:11:30 +0000 (UTC), "Mort"
Post by Mort
Post by First Maje
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
LOL you sound like some pathetic little scrote at school saying 'I'll get my
big brother on you'
At least I know who my brother is.
But you don't know who his father is.

Or why his arse is that funny blue colour.
Harry The Horse
2004-01-26 23:27:00 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't
advise the United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
If God had intended Texans to ski he'd have made bullshit white.
Anonymous
2004-01-27 04:18:30 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise the
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
Didn't you see how well they use the armament on those Apache
gunships?
--
First, they're not all born in Texas you stupid shit; that's where
the Base is.

Second, everyone knows that Steers and Queers come from Texas, which
is why you have so many drooling hick hillbilly cowboy faggots there.

Am I clear? Do you understand? You're a fucking dim American.
All Americans know is what they've been fed by Hollywood and their
Government.

Brain washed and brain dead - That's an American; no wonder you
people make such great cannon fodder.

Houston? That's the fattest city in the USA 3 years running, isn't
it? You must be proud.
First Maje
2004-01-27 05:34:45 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
First, they're not all born in Texas you stupid shit; that's where
the Base is.
Second, everyone knows that Steers and Queers come from Texas, which
is why you have so many drooling hick hillbilly cowboy faggots there.
Am I clear? Do you understand? You're a fucking dim American.
All Americans know is what they've been fed by Hollywood and their
Government.
Brain washed and brain dead - That's an American; no wonder you
people make such great cannon fodder.
Houston? That's the fattest city in the USA 3 years running, isn't
it? You must be proud.
Who let this specimen out of its bottle?


--

Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

"You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
--Robert Heinlein
jjp
2004-01-27 23:32:35 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise the
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
Didn't you see how well they use the armament on those Apache
gunships?
--
First, they're not all born in Texas you stupid shit; that's where
the Base is.
Second, everyone knows that Steers and Queers come from Texas, which
is why you have so many drooling hick hillbilly cowboy faggots there.
Am I clear? Do you understand? You're a fucking dim American.
All Americans know is what they've been fed by Hollywood and their
Government.
Brain washed and brain dead - That's an American; no wonder you
people make such great cannon fodder.
HA! You're one to call someone brainwashed and brain dead, considering
all the rubbish coming from your mouth.
Post by Anonymous
Houston? That's the fattest city in the USA 3 years running, isn't
it? You must be proud.
Yeah, if you think number of restaurants and sporting goods stores is
a good way to measure if people are fat -- fact is that "study" is
nothing more than junk science.
ar3a
2004-01-28 07:35:52 UTC
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Post by jjp
Post by Anonymous
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise the
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
Didn't you see how well they use the armament on those Apache
gunships?
--
First, they're not all born in Texas you stupid shit; that's where
the Base is.
Second, everyone knows that Steers and Queers come from Texas, which
is why you have so many drooling hick hillbilly cowboy faggots there.
Am I clear? Do you understand? You're a fucking dim American.
All Americans know is what they've been fed by Hollywood and their
Government.
Brain washed and brain dead - That's an American; no wonder you
people make such great cannon fodder.
HA! You're one to call someone brainwashed and brain dead, considering
all the rubbish coming from your mouth.
Post by Anonymous
Houston? That's the fattest city in the USA 3 years running, isn't
it? You must be proud.
Yeah, if you think number of restaurants and sporting goods stores is
a good way to measure if people are fat -- fact is that "study" is
nothing more than junk science.
I don't neccessarily believe those studies, but I live here in Houston and I
have to admit...I can't EVER go out to eat without encountering a herd of
morbidly obese gluttons, cramming meals big enough for 4 people into their
pie-holes. I have a hard time keeping my food down after seeing that
shite...but hey, that's a good diet in and of itself.
ar3a
2004-01-28 07:51:13 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise the
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
Didn't you see how well they use the armament on those Apache
gunships?
Second, everyone knows that Steers and Queers come from Texas, which
is why you have so many drooling hick hillbilly cowboy faggots there.
Actually, that's a very old saying that has been used for MANY years about
people in rural areas from all over the country. I've heard it for Texas,
Arizona, etc. I wish I could have been there when whoever thought up that
saying realised that Queers rhymed with Steers. It must have been a pivotal
moment is his life! LOL.
It also should be mentioned (in case he's reading this and planning any
Scrabble games with his children) that Steers also rhymes with beers...which
seems more appropriate for Texas (from what I've seen).
Post by Anonymous
Am I clear? Do you understand? You're a fucking dim American.
All Americans know is what they've been fed by Hollywood and their
Government.
That claim can be made of ANY country. We're all seeing biased spins on
world events. No big deal, but a "brain-washing" is pretty impossible for
any "free" government to pull of now days...and by free I mean that the
people atleast have the freedom to view news from any part of the world.
Post by Anonymous
Brain washed and brain dead - That's an American; no wonder you
people make such great cannon fodder.
Some of us? You bet. Some of you? You bet. On the whole, this is an
emotional statement and not true.
Post by Anonymous
Houston? That's the fattest city in the USA 3 years running, isn't
it? You must be proud.
I'm from, and live in, Houston too and have seen that study. I'm happy to
report that we are no longer number 1 on that list. LOL. I think we were
beat out by Detriot or something. Go figure. I definitely get to see
plenty of huge people gorging themselves on cow most every evening. It's
not pretty...but it's pretty good for my diet, as I lose my appetite pretty
fast that way.
Joe Halbleib
2004-02-05 10:33:44 UTC
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Post by ar3a
Post by Anonymous
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't
advise
Post by ar3a
the
Post by Anonymous
Post by First Maje
Post by Harry The Horse
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
Didn't you see how well they use the armament on those Apache
gunships?
Second, everyone knows that Steers and Queers come from Texas, which
is why you have so many drooling hick hillbilly cowboy faggots there.
Actually, that's a very old saying that has been used for MANY years about
people in rural areas from all over the country. I've heard it for Texas,
Arizona, etc. I wish I could have been there when whoever thought up that
saying realised that Queers rhymed with Steers. It must have been a pivotal
moment is his life! LOL.
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie "An
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the Navy
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley, played
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.

Joe
Post by ar3a
It also should be mentioned (in case he's reading this and planning any
Scrabble games with his children) that Steers also rhymes with
beers...which
Post by ar3a
seems more appropriate for Texas (from what I've seen).
Post by Anonymous
Am I clear? Do you understand? You're a fucking dim American.
All Americans know is what they've been fed by Hollywood and their
Government.
That claim can be made of ANY country. We're all seeing biased spins on
world events. No big deal, but a "brain-washing" is pretty impossible for
any "free" government to pull of now days...and by free I mean that the
people atleast have the freedom to view news from any part of the world.
Post by Anonymous
Brain washed and brain dead - That's an American; no wonder you
people make such great cannon fodder.
Some of us? You bet. Some of you? You bet. On the whole, this is an
emotional statement and not true.
Post by Anonymous
Houston? That's the fattest city in the USA 3 years running, isn't
it? You must be proud.
I'm from, and live in, Houston too and have seen that study. I'm happy to
report that we are no longer number 1 on that list. LOL. I think we were
beat out by Detriot or something. Go figure. I definitely get to see
plenty of huge people gorging themselves on cow most every evening. It's
not pretty...but it's pretty good for my diet, as I lose my appetite pretty
fast that way.
r***@yahoo.com
2004-02-05 13:28:42 UTC
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:33:44 GMT, "Joe Halbleib"
Post by Joe Halbleib
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie "An
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the Navy
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley, played
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.
Full Metal Jacket.
Gunnery SGT. R. Lee Ermey (as Gny. Sgt. Hartman) talking to
Private Cowboy. (Arliss Howard .... Pvt. Cowboy)

http://www.rleeermey.com/soundclips.php

Under Movie Clips:
fmjcwby2.wav

"Where in the hell are you from anyway, Private?" recruit answers
"Sir, Texas, Sir! Sergeant continues with Holy dogsh*t! Texas!
Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy. And you
don't much look like a steer to me, so that kind of narrows it
down."
Yardpilot
2004-02-05 19:21:34 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:33:44 GMT, "Joe Halbleib"
Post by Joe Halbleib
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie "An
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the Navy
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley, played
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.
Full Metal Jacket.
Both, but it's a lot older than that.
JGD
2004-02-05 15:13:34 UTC
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Joe Halbleib wrote:
<SNIP>
Post by Joe Halbleib
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie "An
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the Navy
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley, played
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.
Joe
I'm am afraid that quote was lifted from somewhere else.
I.E. not original. I heard that stuff over thirty years ago
and that movie is not that old.

JGD

rest of message snipped!
Harold Burton
2004-02-05 15:20:56 UTC
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Post by Joe Halbleib
Post by Joe Halbleib
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie "An
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the Navy
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley, played
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.
That saying probably predates the birth of Gere, it was at least a
generation or so
old when his movie was made.

HWB
John A. Stovall
2004-02-05 15:25:25 UTC
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:33:44 GMT, "Joe Halbleib"
<***@comcast.net> wrote:

snipped
Post by Joe Halbleib
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie "An
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the Navy
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley, played
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.
No, "Full Metal Jacket" used it.

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor:" Holy dog shit. Texas?
Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy. And you don't
look much like a steer to me so that kinda narrows it down. Do you
suck dicks?"

And it was old before that.......


******************************************************

"The National Rifle Association has been in support of
workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its
very inception in 1871."

NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22
Yardpilot
2004-02-05 19:26:10 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:33:44 GMT, "Joe Halbleib"
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Post by Joe Halbleib
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie "An
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the Navy
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley, played
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.
No, "Full Metal Jacket" used it.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor:" Holy dog shit. Texas?
Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy. And you don't
look much like a steer to me so that kinda narrows it down. Do you
suck dicks?"
And it was old before that.......
No doubt. "Gaul? Only steers and queers....."
John A. Stovall
2004-02-06 00:12:16 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:33:44 GMT, "Joe Halbleib"
snipped
Post by Joe Halbleib
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie
"An
Post by r***@yahoo.com
Post by Joe Halbleib
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the
Navy
Post by r***@yahoo.com
Post by Joe Halbleib
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley,
played
Post by r***@yahoo.com
Post by Joe Halbleib
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.
No, "Full Metal Jacket" used it.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor:" Holy dog shit. Texas?
Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy. And you don't
look much like a steer to me so that kinda narrows it down. Do you
suck dicks?"
And it was old before that.......
No doubt. "Gaul? Only steers and queers....."
I'll bet there's a Hieroglyphic string some where that's says, "Upper
Nile? Only steers and queers...."
*************************************************************

"I believe that all government is evil,
in that all government must necessarily make war upon liberty...

From "Mencken's Creed"
H.L. Mencken (1880 -1956)
Joe Halbleib
2004-02-19 16:26:34 UTC
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Post by Joe Halbleib
Post by r***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:33:44 GMT, "Joe Halbleib"
snipped
Post by Joe Halbleib
From what I remember, the "steers and queers" quote came from the movie
"An
Post by r***@yahoo.com
Post by Joe Halbleib
Officer and a Gentleman", starring Richard Gere. Gere enlisted in the
Navy
Post by r***@yahoo.com
Post by Joe Halbleib
and attends Navy Flight School where his Gunnery Sergeant Emil Foley,
played
Post by r***@yahoo.com
Post by Joe Halbleib
by Louis Gosset Jr uses that line on every group of incoming recruits.
No, "Full Metal Jacket" used it.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Drill Instructor:" Holy dog shit. Texas?
Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy. And you don't
look much like a steer to me so that kinda narrows it down. Do you
suck dicks?"
And it was old before that.......
No doubt. "Gaul? Only steers and queers....."
I'll bet there's a Hieroglyphic string some where that's says, "Upper
Nile? Only steers and queers...."
No doubt! It *WAS* used in An Officer and a Gentleman too though. Never
saw Full Metal Jacket. Somehow I missed it all these years! I'll have to
find it at the video store...

Hey... How about "Out of Africa? Only..." (you know, the migration of
modern man to other continents...)

Joe
Post by John A. Stovall
*************************************************************
"I believe that all government is evil,
in that all government must necessarily make war upon liberty...
From "Mencken's Creed"
H.L. Mencken (1880 -1956)
William Black
2004-01-27 17:18:55 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise the
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
Didn't you see how well they use the armament on those Apache
gunships?
What on earth makes you think Brixton is full of Queers?

Mind you, I think Moss Side would be a better destination.

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
Clive Taylor
2004-01-27 17:29:50 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:18:55 -0000, "William Black"
Post by William Black
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:32:14 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
'Wimp peasants', eh? There are some parts of Brixton I wouldn't advise
the
Post by First Maje
Post by Harry The Horse
United States try to invade.
I'll match the 4th Division from Texas against any bunch of leftist
queers you put up.
Didn't you see how well they use the armament on those Apache
gunships?
What on earth makes you think Brixton is full of Queers?
eh!eh! If only our litle poster from the States *would* stand in the
middle of Brixton High Street and yell that everybody there were
leftist queers..... Do you think medical insurance would do him any
good?
Post by William Black
Mind you, I think Moss Side would be a better destination.
First Maje
2004-01-27 18:21:47 UTC
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Post by Clive Taylor
eh!eh! If only our litle poster from the States *would* stand in the
middle of Brixton High Street and yell that everybody there were
leftist queers..... Do you think medical insurance would do him any
good?
I would not need it. Everyone who threatened me would be dead.
--
Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

"You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
--Robert Heinlein
Clive Taylor
2004-01-27 18:41:53 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Post by Clive Taylor
eh!eh! If only our litle poster from the States *would* stand in the
middle of Brixton High Street and yell that everybody there were
leftist queers..... Do you think medical insurance would do him any
good?
I would not need it. Everyone who threatened me would be dead.
eh!eh! you wish! Either your gun or your head would rammed up your
arse before you got the first shot off.
Mort
2004-01-27 20:34:44 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Post by Clive Taylor
eh!eh! If only our litle poster from the States *would* stand in the
middle of Brixton High Street and yell that everybody there were
leftist queers..... Do you think medical insurance would do him any
good?
I would not need it. Everyone who threatened me would be dead.
Oooooh get her!!! She's sooooooo harddddd!!!!
:-)
Roger Dewhurst
2004-01-28 00:22:44 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:03:53 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Not quite. The Bill Of Rights is qualified by the phase 'as allowed by
law'. Unfortunately the architects of the 'Glorious Revolution' didn't
write their descendants a blank cheque.
"As allowed by law" is in the present tense. Thus it referred to the law
as it was at the time. Furthermore the obvious intent ot the BoR was to
establish some immutable rules. There was no point in writing something
that could be re-written or re-interpreted at every change of government.
The fact is that the interpretation of the relevant clause has been
permissive for several hundred years. It is only recently that governments
have chosen to disregard it. Furthermore the BoR has not been re-written or
amended in several hundred years. Ask yourself why.

To interpret "as allowed by law" as "whatever the law may be changed to at
the whim of whoever is in power" rather defeats the whole intent of the BoR.
As you say: "the architects of the 'Glorious Revolution' didn't write their
descendants a blank cheque".

R
Mort
2004-01-26 15:07:27 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:03:53 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
It all started in 1920 when the Tories forced gun owners to register.
As we all know, that is a slimy trick that leads to inevitable
confiscation. Thatcher used the Hungerford incident to force the first
round of gun confiscation and Major used Dunblane to force the second
round.
So Thatcher is a leftist queer?
What planet are you on?
Post by First Maje
America would
be just as perverted as Britain today if it hadn't been for people
like Joseph McCarthy.
Joe McCarthy was nothing more than a power crazed drunk and opportunist who
used his position to carry out bullying on an industrial scale until
Eisenhower put him in his place. After which he was never heard from again.
If you venerate a loser like him you really have got personality problems.

You protest too much about this 'queer' thing. You should be careful you
don't fall out of your closet.
Ian Bailey
2004-01-26 17:57:23 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Post by Ian Bailey
Post by Frank F. Matthews
Yes, beating someone senseless is a very bad idea and should draw some
time in the slammer. The scum status of the beaten does not justify the
beating. FFM
I expect that First Maje etc think the hotel owner should have shot
the thief dead where he stood.
If the criminal attacked me in a manner which threatened my life, I
would not hesitate to shoot him. If my years of practice with handguns
results in accurate shot placement, then that's his bad fortune.
Why should the hotel owner expose himself to the threat of serious
harm? You do not have the right to demand that he do something stupid
like that.
Huh? What threat was posed in this case? The guy was committing theft,
not armed robbery.
Post by First Maje
If you want to turn the other cheek, then where were you when your
cheek was needed by the hotel owner? Probably butt-fucking some
leftist queer.
You're just another homophobe paranoid that he might be bi himself.

Ian
First Maje
2004-01-26 18:08:29 UTC
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Post by Ian Bailey
Post by First Maje
Why should the hotel owner expose himself to the threat of serious
harm? You do not have the right to demand that he do something stupid
like that.
Huh? What threat was posed in this case? The guy was committing theft,
not armed robbery.
How do you know what the hotel owner "honestly believed"?
Post by Ian Bailey
Post by First Maje
If you want to turn the other cheek, then where were you when your
cheek was needed by the hotel owner? Probably butt-fucking some
leftist queer.
You're just another homophobe paranoid that he might be bi himself.
LOL

You don't even understand what I mean by the term "leftist queer".


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http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
great country, not people living in cities in tenements owned
by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Harry The Horse
2004-01-26 20:42:45 UTC
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Post by First Maje
You don't even understand what I mean by the term "leftist queer".
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.

'leftist' = left wing, socialist, liberal
'queer' = homosexual

Thus 'leftist queer' = left wing homosexual. What does it mean in the
esoteric argot you speak?
First Maje
2004-01-26 22:28:21 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:42:45 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.
'leftist' = left wing, socialist, liberal
'queer' = homosexual
Thus 'leftist queer' = left wing homosexual. What does it mean in the
esoteric argot you speak?
The word "leftist" does not mean liberal in a British newsgroup. Ask
Solon.

I am using the term "queer" in a much more general sense, to include
not only currently-practicing male homosexuals, but ones who have had
a significant homosexual encounter in the past which causes them to
support the gay agenda today. I also include pedophiles and other
perverts who also support the gay agenda.

Together these groups support the leftist agenda, which is itself not
only perverted to the core, but is also responsible for the fact that
Britain is perverted to the core.

How do you account for the fact that law-abiding citizens have had
their guns confiscated and are now a bunch of unarmed wimp peasants?

Something that perverted can only be the handiwork of perverted
leftist queers.


--

Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

The territory Bush won is land owned by the people of this
great country, not people living in cities in tenements owned
by the government and living off the government.

* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
* States won by Gore, 19; by Bush, 29.
* Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore, 13.2; by Bush, 2.1.
Harry The Horse
2004-01-26 23:33:17 UTC
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Post by First Maje
The word "leftist" does not mean liberal in a British newsgroup. Ask
Solon.
I am using the term "queer" in a much more general sense, to include
not only currently-practicing male homosexuals, but ones who have had
a significant homosexual encounter in the past which causes them to
support the gay agenda today. I also include pedophiles and other
perverts who also support the gay agenda.
Together these groups support the leftist agenda, which is itself not
only perverted to the core, but is also responsible for the fact that
Britain is perverted to the core.
How do you account for the fact that law-abiding citizens have had
their guns confiscated and are now a bunch of unarmed wimp peasants?
Something that perverted can only be the handiwork of perverted
leftist queers.
Yawn. Change the record already.
Jez
2004-01-27 11:54:45 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:42:45 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.
'leftist' = left wing, socialist, liberal
'queer' = homosexual
Thus 'leftist queer' = left wing homosexual. What does it mean in the
esoteric argot you speak?
The word "leftist" does not mean liberal in a British newsgroup. Ask
Solon.
How do you account for the fact that law-abiding citizens have had
their guns confiscated and are now a bunch of unarmed wimp peasants?
Who needs a gun ? I have never felt the slightest need for one.

What are you afraid of ?
Post by First Maje
Something that perverted can only be the handiwork of perverted
leftist queers.
Ahh your afraid of 'queers' and 'lefists'...is that why you need a
gun ?

What a brave man you must be.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
J. Hall
2004-01-27 18:23:50 UTC
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Post by Jez
Post by First Maje
How do you account for the fact that law-abiding citizens have had
their guns confiscated and are now a bunch of unarmed wimp peasants?
Who needs a gun ? I have never felt the slightest need for one.
What are you afraid of ?
Ignorance is bliss isn't it ?
Post by Jez
Ahh your afraid of 'queers' and 'lefists'...is that why you need a
gun ?
Muggers, burglars and thieves are freelance "leftists", so I guess the
answer would be yes.
Jez
2004-01-28 14:16:08 UTC
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Post by J. Hall
Post by Jez
Post by First Maje
How do you account for the fact that law-abiding citizens have had
their guns confiscated and are now a bunch of unarmed wimp peasants?
Who needs a gun ? I have never felt the slightest need for one.
What are you afraid of ?
Ignorance is bliss isn't it ?
I don't know is it ?
Post by J. Hall
Post by Jez
Ahh your afraid of 'queers' and 'lefists'...is that why you need a
gun ?
Muggers, burglars and thieves are freelance "leftists", so I guess the
answer would be yes.
Are they...so there are no right wing theives eh....

You haven't been following the activities of Bush and Co. then !!
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
J. Hall
2004-01-29 07:48:06 UTC
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Post by Jez
Post by J. Hall
Muggers, burglars and thieves are freelance "leftists", so I guess the
answer would be yes.
Are they...so there are no right wing theives eh....
Not ideologically consistent ones.
Post by Jez
You haven't been following the activities of Bush and Co. then !!
You think I'm a Bush supporter just because I don't like leftists ? Dream on.
Jez
2004-01-29 13:44:08 UTC
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Post by J. Hall
Post by Jez
Post by J. Hall
Muggers, burglars and thieves are freelance "leftists", so I guess the
answer would be yes.
Are they...so there are no right wing theives eh....
Not ideologically consistent ones.
Post by Jez
You haven't been following the activities of Bush and Co. then !!
You think I'm a Bush supporter just because I don't like leftists ? Dream on.
Well, if you are a Bush supporter, your an idiot.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
First Maje
2004-01-30 03:14:29 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:44:08 -0000, "Jez"
Post by Jez
Well, if you are a Bush supporter, your an idiot.
If you are not a Bush supporter, then you are an idiot.
--
Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

Crown servants cannot subvert the subjects' common law rights because
they have only the same powers and privileges as the people. Any attempt to
do so would be ultra vires, which means "beyond their power" and constitute
the common law crime of "misconduct in office".
Asmodeus
2004-01-31 18:00:21 UTC
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Post by Jez
Well, if you are a Bush supporter, your an idiot
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Got a mirror, moron?
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Jez
2004-01-31 20:37:59 UTC
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Post by Asmodeus
Post by Jez
Well, if you are a Bush supporter, your an idiot
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Got a mirror, moron?
Yes. Quite a few of them.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
Asmodeus
2004-01-31 21:37:35 UTC
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Post by Jez
Yes. Quite a few of them
Good. Superglue your face to one.
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Jez
2004-02-01 22:52:24 UTC
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Post by Asmodeus
Post by Jez
Yes. Quite a few of them
Good. Superglue your face to one.
Mmmm what a very odd idea.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
Asmodeus
2004-02-03 19:01:42 UTC
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Post by Jez
Mmmm what a very odd idea
Okay, everybody, one, two, three ...

WHOOSH!
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Asmodeus
2004-02-07 12:24:54 UTC
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Post by Jez
Mmmm what a very odd idea
You're not very bright, are you.
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Jez
2004-02-07 14:33:44 UTC
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Post by Asmodeus
Post by Jez
Mmmm what a very odd idea
You're not very bright, are you.
Haven't you got bored with trying goad me yet?

What a full life you must live.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
Asmodeus
2004-02-08 19:26:39 UTC
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Post by Jez
Haven't you got bored with trying goad me yet?
You are rather a yawn. Stupid, and not very entertaining. But keep
trying--I'm sure you will sink to the depths of spudturd or nick
or judy eventually.
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r_c_brown
2004-01-28 00:15:53 UTC
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Post by Jez
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:42:45 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.
'leftist' = left wing, socialist, liberal
'queer' = homosexual
Thus 'leftist queer' = left wing homosexual. What does it mean in the
esoteric argot you speak?
The word "leftist" does not mean liberal in a British newsgroup. Ask
Solon.
How do you account for the fact that law-abiding citizens have had
their guns confiscated and are now a bunch of unarmed wimp peasants?
Who needs a gun ? I have never felt the slightest need for one.
To paraphrase the unforgettable whatzername: "What's need got to do with it?"
Post by Jez
What are you afraid of ?
Post by First Maje
Something that perverted can only be the handiwork of perverted
leftist queers.
Ahh your afraid of 'queers' and 'lefists'...is that why you need a
gun ?
What a brave man you must be.
Jez
2004-01-28 14:16:39 UTC
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Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:42:45 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.
'leftist' = left wing, socialist, liberal
'queer' = homosexual
Thus 'leftist queer' = left wing homosexual. What does it mean in the
esoteric argot you speak?
The word "leftist" does not mean liberal in a British newsgroup. Ask
Solon.
How do you account for the fact that law-abiding citizens have had
their guns confiscated and are now a bunch of unarmed wimp peasants?
Who needs a gun ? I have never felt the slightest need for one.
To paraphrase the unforgettable whatzername: "What's need got to do with it?"
Everything I would have thought.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
r_c_brown
2004-01-28 18:48:32 UTC
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Post by Jez
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:42:45 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
Post by Harry The Horse
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.
'leftist' = left wing, socialist, liberal
'queer' = homosexual
Thus 'leftist queer' = left wing homosexual. What does it mean in
the
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Post by First Maje
Post by Harry The Horse
esoteric argot you speak?
The word "leftist" does not mean liberal in a British newsgroup. Ask
Solon.
How do you account for the fact that law-abiding citizens have had
their guns confiscated and are now a bunch of unarmed wimp peasants?
Who needs a gun ? I have never felt the slightest need for one.
To paraphrase the unforgettable whatzername: "What's need got to do with
it?"
Everything I would have thought.
Okay: why?

From what I've read, people own guns for all kinds of reasons, "want"
being a big one. "Want" plays a big role in a lot of possessions.
Think of TVs and stereos. Most people who have these things don't
necessarily "need" them.
Jez
2004-01-28 19:36:27 UTC
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Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Post by r_c_brown
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:42:45 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
To paraphrase the unforgettable whatzername: "What's need got to do with
it?"
Everything I would have thought.
Okay: why?
From what I've read, people own guns for all kinds of reasons, "want"
being a big one. "Want" plays a big role in a lot of possessions.
Think of TVs and stereos. Most people who have these things don't
necessarily "need" them.
You got it.
I don't want one, and have never needed one either.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
r_c_brown
2004-01-28 22:59:09 UTC
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Post by Jez
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Post by r_c_brown
Post by First Maje
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:42:45 -0000, "Harry The Horse"
To paraphrase the unforgettable whatzername: "What's need got to do
with
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
it?"
Everything I would have thought.
Okay: why?
From what I've read, people own guns for all kinds of reasons, "want"
being a big one. "Want" plays a big role in a lot of possessions.
Think of TVs and stereos. Most people who have these things don't
necessarily "need" them.
You got it.
I don't want one, and have never needed one either.
Well, I never have owned a gun either.

I won't stop other responsible people from owning them.
Jez
2004-01-29 13:46:53 UTC
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news:<40180f32$0$28119
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
it?"
Everything I would have thought.
Okay: why?
From what I've read, people own guns for all kinds of reasons, "want"
being a big one. "Want" plays a big role in a lot of possessions.
Think of TVs and stereos. Most people who have these things don't
necessarily "need" them.
You got it.
I don't want one, and have never needed one either.
Well, I never have owned a gun either.
I won't stop other responsible people from owning them.
There's the key word there....
'Responsible'

How does one determine that ?

Wanting a gun kinda makes one irresponsible doesn't it ?

I mean what are you going to do with it ?
Shoot people ?

Not very responsible that !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
r_c_brown
2004-01-30 00:42:20 UTC
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Post by Jez
news:<40180f32$0$28119
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
it?"
Everything I would have thought.
Okay: why?
From what I've read, people own guns for all kinds of reasons, "want"
being a big one. "Want" plays a big role in a lot of possessions.
Think of TVs and stereos. Most people who have these things don't
necessarily "need" them.
You got it.
I don't want one, and have never needed one either.
Well, I never have owned a gun either.
I won't stop other responsible people from owning them.
There's the key word there....
'Responsible'
How does one determine that ?
Most people are responsible. Those that aren't - like criminals -
don't qualify.
Post by Jez
Wanting a gun kinda makes one irresponsible doesn't it ?
Well, probably not. Why would you think that?
Post by Jez
I mean what are you going to do with it ?
Me? I don't have any firearms. I thought I mentioned that.
Post by Jez
Shoot people ?
People purchase guns for all sorts of things. Some people like to
shoot targets, some people like to hunt, some people just like to
collect guns. And, yes, some people purchase guns for self-defense.

If shooting people was the main reason people purchase guns, there
would be a lot more shot people in this country.
Post by Jez
Not very responsible that !
True, purchasing a gun in preparation to shoot people isn't
responsible. Fortunately, that isn't why the vast majority of guns
are purchased.
First Maje
2004-01-30 03:16:08 UTC
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Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Not very responsible that !
True, purchasing a gun in preparation to shoot people isn't
responsible.
Wrong.

Shooting criminals in self defense is responsible.
--
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http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

Crown servants cannot subvert the subjects' common law rights because
they have only the same powers and privileges as the people. Any attempt to
do so would be ultra vires, which means "beyond their power" and constitute
the common law crime of "misconduct in office".
r_c_brown
2004-01-30 18:39:37 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Post by r_c_brown
Post by Jez
Not very responsible that !
True, purchasing a gun in preparation to shoot people isn't
responsible.
Wrong.
Sometimes.
Post by First Maje
Shooting criminals in self defense is responsible.
Most people don't buy guns in preparation to shoot criminals. Some do.

That criminals get shot is (mostly) a by-product.
Post by First Maje
--
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/
Crown servants cannot subvert the subjects' common law rights because
they have only the same powers and privileges as the people. Any attempt to
do so would be ultra vires, which means "beyond their power" and constitute
the common law crime of "misconduct in office".
First Maje
2004-01-31 07:16:26 UTC
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Post by r_c_brown
Post by First Maje
Shooting criminals in self defense is responsible.
Most people don't buy guns in preparation to shoot criminals. Some do.
That criminals get shot is (mostly) a by-product.
According to Criminologist Gary Kleck there are over 2,500,000
instances of defensive gun use in America each year.
--
Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

Crown servants cannot subvert the subjects' common law rights because
they have only the same powers and privileges as the people. Any attempt to
do so would be ultra vires, which means "beyond their power" and constitute
the common law crime of "misconduct in office".
William Black
2004-01-31 09:37:53 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Post by r_c_brown
Post by First Maje
Shooting criminals in self defense is responsible.
Most people don't buy guns in preparation to shoot criminals. Some do.
That criminals get shot is (mostly) a by-product.
According to Criminologist Gary Kleck there are over 2,500,000
instances of defensive gun use in America each year.
You're telling me that 1% of people in the USA use guns to defend themselves
every year?

That means it's something that happens now and again to just about everyone
you know?

That it's more common than traffic accidents?

Or is it possible that criminals seek out armed people so that they can fail
in their nefarious acts?

Stark bonkers...

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
First Maje
2004-01-31 19:52:33 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:37:53 -0000, "William Black"
Post by William Black
Post by First Maje
According to Criminologist Gary Kleck there are over 2,500,000
instances of defensive gun use in America each year.
You're telling me that 1% of people in the USA use guns to defend themselves
every year?
That is what Gary Kleck is telling us. The figure 2,500,000 is old -
Kleck is now using a higher figure. I stick with the lower one because
it is more widely known and accepted.
Post by William Black
That means it's something that happens now and again to just about everyone
you know?
It all depends on what kind of people you know and where they live.

There are social classes and locales where defensive gun use is much
higher.
Post by William Black
That it's more common than traffic accidents?
I think traffic accidents are higher but I am not sure.
Post by William Black
Or is it possible that criminals seek out armed people so that they can fail
in their nefarious acts?
Quite the opposite - criminals take great pains to avoid armed
citizens. But because concealment is the norm, whether the person is
licenced to carry a concealed handgun or just has the gun nearby. You
never see citizens brandishing guns openly unless it is time to use
it. In fact it is a crime to brandish a gun without the intent of
using it in self defense. The point is that criminals do not know who
is armed.
Post by William Black
Stark bonkers...
The really stark thing about all this is that if those 2,500,000
people were not allowed to use a gun to defend themselves, you would
have an additional 2,500,000 unnecessary victims of violent crime.

If the crime rate of Britain is the same as the US (and I am not
saying it is), then there are 600,000 citizens in Britain who become
unnecessary victims of violent crime each year just because a handful
of leftist queers want to indulge their mental illness regarding guns
(hoplophobia).
--
Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/

Crown servants cannot subvert the subjects' common law rights because
they have only the same powers and privileges as the people. Any attempt to
do so would be ultra vires, which means "beyond their power" and constitute
the common law crime of "misconduct in office".
William Black
2004-02-04 16:49:11 UTC
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Post by First Maje
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:37:53 -0000, "William Black"
Post by William Black
That means it's something that happens now and again to just about everyone
you know?
It all depends on what kind of people you know and where they live.
So you're saying that it happens more in some places?
Post by First Maje
There are social classes and locales where defensive gun use is much
higher.
Post by William Black
That it's more common than traffic accidents?
I think traffic accidents are higher but I am not sure.
I think that if 1% of the people in the USA are involved in a traffic
accident every year I would be very suprised.
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Post by William Black
Or is it possible that criminals seek out armed people so that they can fail
in their nefarious acts?
Stark bonkers...
The really stark thing about all this is that if those 2,500,000
people were not allowed to use a gun to defend themselves, you would
have an additional 2,500,000 unnecessary victims of violent crime.
That puts the violent crime level up to where it happens on every street
four or five times a year, it is obviously absurd.
Post by First Maje
If the crime rate of Britain is the same as the US (and I am not
saying it is), then there are 600,000 citizens in Britain who become
unnecessary victims of violent crime each year just because a handful
of leftist queers want to indulge their mental illness regarding guns
(hoplophobia).
I think you need to kill another pig to help you calm down.

That or do some sums...

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r_c_brown
2004-02-01 01:37:41 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Shooting criminals in self defense is responsible.
Most people don't buy guns in preparation to shoot criminals. Some do.
That criminals get shot is (mostly) a by-product.
According to Criminologist Gary Kleck there are over 2,500,000
instances of defensive gun use in America each year.
And in the majority of those, no one was shot.

The point is, few law-abiding citizens buy guns with the intent to
shoot people. That some use 'em to chase off would-be criminals
cannot be denied - and of course I didn't.
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D.A. Tsenuf
2004-02-01 02:46:30 UTC
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Post by First Maje
Shooting criminals in self defense is responsible.
Most people don't buy guns in preparation to shoot criminals. Some do.
That criminals get shot is (mostly) a by-product.
According to Criminologist Gary Kleck there are over 2,500,000
instances of defensive gun use in America each year.
And in the majority of those, no one was shot.
AS a matter of fact, in the majority of those 2,500,000 million or so DGUs,
there was no shot fired either.
Post by r_c_brown
The point is, few law-abiding citizens buy guns with the intent to
shoot people. That some use 'em to chase off would-be criminals
cannot be denied - and of course I didn't.
Yup
Most of those that get guns for self-protection hope to never having to use
them.
That does not mean that they don't prepare by training for the worst case
scenario.
First Maje
2004-02-01 04:26:03 UTC
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Post by r_c_brown
Most people don't buy guns in preparation to shoot criminals. Some do.
That criminals get shot is (mostly) a by-product.
According to Criminologist Gary Kleck there are over 2,500,000
instances of defensive gun use in America each year.
And in the majority of those, no one was shot.
The point is, few law-abiding citizens buy guns with the intent to
shoot people. That some use 'em to chase off would-be criminals
cannot be denied - and of course I didn't.
I now understand what you are driving at. Indeed, most people do not
buy guns to injure someone.

But I would never underestimate someone who has a gun pointed at you,
especially if that someone is me. The purpose of brandishing a firearm
is to stop aggression by shooting the criminal.

It is up to the criminal to beg for his life if he does not want to be
shot. Falling flat on the ground face down with his hands behind him
is a good start.
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Joe Halbleib
2004-02-20 05:52:44 UTC
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Post by Jez
Not very responsible that !
True, purchasing a gun in preparation to shoot people isn't
responsible.
Wrong.
Sometimes.
Post by First Maje
Shooting criminals in self defense is responsible.
Most people don't buy guns in preparation to shoot criminals. Some do.
That criminals get shot is (mostly) a by-product.
YOU say. If I shoot one it will not be a by-product of my having a gun. It
will be because I had to shoot someone threatening my family and/or me to
protect ourselves. That defensive capability was my express purpose when I
bought my guns. A very responsible move on my part.

Joe
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Joe Halbleib
2004-02-20 05:49:20 UTC
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it?"
Everything I would have thought.
Okay: why?
From what I've read, people own guns for all kinds of reasons, "want"
being a big one. "Want" plays a big role in a lot of possessions.
Think of TVs and stereos. Most people who have these things don't
necessarily "need" them.
You got it.
I don't want one, and have never needed one either.
Well, I never have owned a gun either.
I won't stop other responsible people from owning them.
There's the key word there....
'Responsible'
How does one determine that ?
Most people are responsible. Those that aren't - like criminals -
don't qualify.
Post by Jez
Wanting a gun kinda makes one irresponsible doesn't it ?
Well, probably not. Why would you think that?
Post by Jez
I mean what are you going to do with it ?
Me? I don't have any firearms. I thought I mentioned that.
Post by Jez
Shoot people ?
People purchase guns for all sorts of things. Some people like to
shoot targets, some people like to hunt, some people just like to
collect guns. And, yes, some people purchase guns for self-defense.
If shooting people was the main reason people purchase guns, there
would be a lot more shot people in this country.
Post by Jez
Not very responsible that !
True, purchasing a gun in preparation to shoot people isn't
responsible. Fortunately, that isn't why the vast majority of guns
are purchased.
I hate to disagree with you here. Purchasing a gun in preparation for
shooting someone can be very responsible. After all, what *IS* self defense
with a gun? It quite possibly is shooting someone. Before that can happen,
one must perceive the possibility and prepare by obtaining a gun and
hopefully training with it. If said person also uses for target practice
that does not detract from its express purpose.

My guns are for self-defense first. Target shooting, hunting, collecting,
other hobby pursuits are all secondary. This is not irresponsible. It is
the epitome of personal responsibility. I am taking responsibility for the
defense of my family and home.

That said... Obtaining a gun with the intent to shoot someone outside the
realm of self-defense is irresponsible. In that case, I agree with you. I
suspect this is what you meant though.

Joe
First Maje
2004-01-30 03:15:08 UTC
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Post by Jez
I mean what are you going to do with it ?
Shoot people ?
Yes.
Post by Jez
Not very responsible that !
Why not?
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steven x brown
2004-01-26 22:53:14 UTC
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Post by First Maje
You don't even understand what I mean by the term "leftist queer".
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.
<ahem> The words 'hoist' and 'petard' spring to mind here...
Post by Harry The Horse
'leftist' = left wing, socialist, liberal
'queer' = homosexual
Thus 'leftist queer' = left wing homosexual. What does it mean in the
esoteric argot you speak?
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Harry The Horse
2004-01-26 23:23:11 UTC
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Post by First Maje
You don't even understand what I mean by the term "leftist queer".
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.
<ahem> The words 'hoist' and 'petard' spring to mind here...
I'd have expected you to be too dim to recognise a typoe when you see one.
BTW, got a job yet or still sponging off the state?
steven x brown
2004-01-27 12:17:16 UTC
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Post by First Maje
You don't even understand what I mean by the term "leftist queer".
FYI, this is an English lanuage newsgroup.
<ahem> The words 'hoist' and 'petard' spring to mind here...
I'd have expected you to be too dim to recognise a typoe when you see one.
<snigger> 'typoe'? Are you Dan Quayle?
Post by Harry The Horse
BTW, got a job yet or still sponging off the state?
Still raking it in. They have to deliver my thousands of pounds per week
benefits in a wheelbarrow. Lovely jubbly! ;-)
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Hognoxious
2004-01-26 14:46:03 UTC
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"Shaun" <***@ntlworldxkxxxhxxnospamxxx.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
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Post by Shaun
You forgot to mention that the hotel owner was actually prosecuted for
beating the alledged thief senseless in order to teach him a lesson.
If true (and I don't believe you) it served him right.

But then I suppose as an bogtrotting pikey you tend to empathise with
thieves.
Post by Shaun
Strange how such key facts disappear when translated into gun nut
folklaw
Strange how the thief could have avoided it by not thieving.
First Maje
2004-01-26 16:38:40 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:46:03 +0100, "Hognoxious"
Post by Hognoxious
But then I suppose as an bogtrotting pikey you tend to empathise with
thieves.
Post by Shaun
Strange how such key facts disappear when translated into gun nut
folklaw
Strange how the thief could have avoided it by not thieving.
If the hotel owner had killed the sombitch, he would not be robbing
someone now.


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* Population of counties won by Gore, 127 million; won by Bush, 143 million.
* Square miles of country won by Gore. 580,000; won by Bush, 2,427,000.
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